This adds the Military Order of Maria Theresia to replace the (civil) Order of the Golden Fleece as the Austrian medal. Unzip into your standard ANGV, Caldiero or Montebello folder or previous downloads of ANGV1809 or Marengo folder with "use folder names" and "overwrite existing files" checked. This places medals.bm2 in the graphics folder of your ANGV or mod folder. If the ReadMe for ANGV1809 or Marengo did not require GenericANGVScreens1_3.zip, also load medals.bm2 into the WaterAux.bag from the graphics folder using the BagBoy utility. If you are using Windows 7 or Vista, see http://greatestbattlesforum.yuku.com/topic/734/Batch-Files-Windows-7 Graeme http://warfare.cf/Greatest_Battles/Greatest_Battles.htm ******************************************************************* Objectionable artwork (12/13/01 07:07:20) I like it very much that you can see an entire portrait of a soldier now, instead of just his hat, as in WNLB. However, I must point out that the austrians are done rather carelessly. For instance, both the senior officers and the brigade commanders appear to wear epaulettes. Epaulettes were never a feature of austrian military tradition (only exception to this were the uhlans); please remove the epaulettes, they look silly. :) Junior officers are dressed in a brown coat. Why ? While it was a habit of most austrian subaltern officers (lieutenants, captains, and so forth) to wear a *grey* coat in service, the regulation still required them to wear white. Please make them wear white or grey. Brown is for artillery. The sash of several austrian officers on their portraits appears to be red-blue-red while the generic portraits (the ones to the left) have them wearing red sashes. This is wrong. The typical sash as depicted on most portraits of austrian generals and emperors from the 18th century through 1918 has the colours red-white-red (so as to resemble the crest of the Habsburg dynasty). Usually you can tell a guy's nationality from his sash. English and russians had light blue, french had scarlet, portuguese had red-purple-green, austrians had red-white-red, prussians had bright orange etc. Please make austrians wear red-white-red. The medal that austrian units get for excellent performance is the Order of the Golden Fleece. This however historically was no military order, but one of nobility. It was bestowed by the emperor, for services to the imperial house (not the country). All members of the austrian and the spanish (!) royal families bore it (the spanish still use it today, and the exile austrian otto von habsburg still retains the right to bestow it), while occasionally some chancellors and ministers did too. Anyway it was not the thing you would expect to get for bravery on the field. What you would rather get was the Order of Maria Theresia, which was the highest military decoration in austria. It was a cross the shape of the prussian iron cross, but white and with the red-white-red crest in the middle. Please let the austrian soldiers get a medal worthy of their actions rather than some courtiers jewelry. ;) Austrian dragoons are wearing a cuirass ?? No comment on this. :P What I *do* like is that the brigade commanders are bearing a leibfahne, while their units bear the ordinarfahne. A much better solution than the random assignment of regimental flags the russians. BTW why not give standards to cavalry units instead of flags ? In SMG cavalry did have standards. It would look much better I think. I very very very much like that melee takes longer now to be resolved. That way you can have several of your units attack an enemy unit, which was impossible in WNLB. Also good is that your units continue firing on the enemy even after he routed. I also don't think that cavalry should be weaker, as many on this board suggest. It just should take longer for them to recover after a defeat. 1-2 charges should be the most they should be able to do. Artillery however is way too weak. It is generally accepted that over half the casualties of a napoleonic battle are inflicted by artillery. In the st. Hilaire scenario i had 2 batteries spewing cannister on a russian regiment for at least 10 minutes (game speed set to slow) and they only killed like 80 or so. Then one of the batteries routed when the russians charged, without even melee occurring. They just ran away... :( Voice acting... well... I like the french very much, and the russians are nice too. The british and prussians in WNLB were also ok. But it seems to me that you just took the prussian voice files and used them for the austrians. Grave mistake ! That would be like having a scottish voice actor for Lee's army in SMG :P Austrians and northern germans (prussians) don't even understand eachother when they try to talk. :D The terrain is superb and a great improvement over WNLB. The unit animations are very good, although i miss animated artillery... Why do my leaders suck when they rally broken troops, while the AI gets them rallied 2 or 3 times ? Infantry uniforms are very well done. Especially the french look very neat. Cavalry looks a bit blurry. French dragoons should be green, not blue. They look green when you look at their backs, but from the front they look blue. Carabiniers should ride black horses, as they are heavy cavalry (black horses were considered to be stronger back then, so they were reserved for the heavies). All in all a very well done game. I presume that the gold version will be even better than the demo. I'm certainly buying it when it comes out. status offlineTC27 Re: Objectionable artwork #1 [-] avatar Posts: 852 (12/13/01 07:59:10) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts I find zooming in 100% makes the images blurry. The second level of zoom gives the best picture. A pox upon the King!God, Parliament and Fairfax!!! status offlinejaxfl(d) Re: Objectionable artwork #2 [-] avatar Posts: 16 (12/13/01 09:24:57) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts Order of Maria Theresia jagor.srce.hr/hpm/p0166003.htm www.antiquesatoz.com/napoleon/ausnapms.htm status offlineUnregistered(d) Re: Objectionable artwork #3 [-] avatar Posts: 0 (12/13/01 11:08:07) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts Yeah, the Military Order of Marie Theresa does look more proper than that other 'opera pin' thingie. Couldn't that be changed, as an 'easy' fix. The Russian medal looks very good, though. Nice and big and shiney, like the front bumper on a '51 Buick. Cordialement, Duke of Earl Artillery......The 'Final Argument' Of Kings! status offlineBigBrotherr Re: Objectionable artwork #4 [-] avatar Posts: 66 (12/13/01 12:19:41) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts It is said when Suvorov met with the group of officers from all over Europe, he noticed one Austrian wearing a real fancy decoration, then Suvorov asked that was he decorated for? Austrian (of high noblebirth apparently) answered it was called Order of Golden Fleece and was given out mostly to Habsburgs. Then Suvorov turned to other officers and asked them each in turn about their certain decoration, one officer answered, that sir I received for taking of Izmail (Turkish fortress), another answered, that sir was for the certain engagement, and each officer had his order earned by blood and bravery. So our dear Feldmarcshall is right on this account. And as far as Russian Order it be good if its replaced by a good honest Georgivsky Krest(St. George Cross). Generals were required to salute first to a full St. George Cavalier even if he was a private. status offlinejaxfl(d) Re: Objectionable artwork #5 [-] avatar Posts: 16 (12/13/01 14:40:32) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts Only info I could find on Russia Cross of Saint George Emperor Alexander I established the Cross of Saint George on 13 February 1807. The Cross of Saint George was bestowed upon non-commissioned officers and enlisted men for extreme acts of bravery in the face of the enemy. (So this came after Austerlitz) Order of Saint George Imperial Russia's highest exclusively military order, was instituted in 26 November, 1769, by Empress Catherine II and came to be considered among the most prestigious military awards in the world, ranking just below the Order of St. Andrew. The order was awarded to officers and generals for special gallantry, such as, personally leading his troops in rout of a superior enemy force, or capturing a fortress, etc. Before membership in the Order could be granted, a candidate's case had to be investigated by a council composed of Knights of the Order. Other info www.antiquesatoz.com/Orders/RUSORD.htm status offlineUnregistered(d) Re: Which medal, which medal....? #6 [-] avatar Posts: 0 (12/13/01 15:33:12) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts Gee, I don't know. This is a tough one. The Order of St. George has more prestige, that's for sure. :) But, the kid in me kinda' favors the '51 Buick bumper cause it's BIGGER and shinier, too! :lol Cordialement, Duke of Earl Artillery......The 'Final Argument' Of Kings! status offlinejaxfl(d) Re: Which medal, which medal....? #7 [-] avatar Posts: 16 (12/13/01 15:44:50) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts I was bored today :rollin :rollin :rollin Need demo with the new updates!!! status offlineivanmoe Re: Objectionable artwork #8 [-] avatar Posts: 794 (12/13/01 16:12:28) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts I think the new soldier figures on the command panel should be expunged from the version that finally ships. They remind me of the artwork in those awful :evil TALONSOFT :evil battleground-games! :eek Ivanmoe "Les Angles Debarque!" status offlineUnregistered(d) Re: Objectionable artwork #9 [-] avatar Posts: 0 (12/13/01 16:35:50) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts I've never seen Talonsoft, but I'll say this - those 'waterwing' epaulettes on the Austrian Mr. Colonel do look silly. Cordialement, Duke of Earl Artillery......The 'Final Argument' Of Kings! status offlineFeldmarschall Laudon Re: Objectionable artwork #10 [-] avatar Posts: 113 (12/13/01 17:47:39) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts Yes indeed, they look like they took them out of Battleground, but hey, i liked those games. :o They do look a little strange though. Like if Disney had made them. :b They could be a little more up to the standard of the exquisit 3D-sprites. And while we're at it: How about some ingame music ? Fifes and drums when the columns advance, grande band when in road formation... I must stop thinking of it or i will go insane. :) I don't like the music at all I'm afraid. Too much synthesizer... sorry... It just doesn't sound martial. SSI had a neat trick to overcome this problem. They just hired only one "real" musician to accompany the synthesizer. If you listen to the music of Imperialism I or Age of Rifles you can hear those real instruments (a violin and a horn respectively). The one real instrument makes the whole score sound much more - well - real, and still costs way less than an orchestra. But that's nitpicking now... ANGV is a great game. I'm all nuts about the demo, and I'm drooling to get some austrian cuirassiers or old guard grenadiers into my hands to play with. 8o I think ANGV will be a far greater success than WNLB, because for the first time it's fun to play BOTH sides. In WNLB most people just played only one side (including me, but I'm not telling which one, 'cause the fans of the other one will come trolling at me :D ). Re: Objectionable artwork #11 [-] avatar Posts: 1176 (12/14/01 15:22:25) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts Good, erudite posts laudon; don't think final artwork is likely to be changed however. Cossacks who were awarded the Cross of St. George were also required to wear an orange trouser stripe instead of the regulation red. status offlineFeldmarschall Laudon Re: Objectionable artwork #12 [-] avatar Posts: 113 (01/05/02 13:35:46) * Reply * Quote * More o My Recent Posts o Message Me o Connection o Blocking o Invite o Ignore User's Posts I'm sorry, I just have to cry it out: These are NO French dragoons! There, said it. :p Just look at their portrait. Why are they wearing Austrian helmets? And is this a Habit-veste (one-piece coat, as opposed to a jacket and a waistcoat underneath) I'm seeing here? They were introduced much later (in 1812), so they couldn't have wore them. It's not that 7 years are such a long time, and I shouldn't be so nitpicky, but habit-vestes are stone ugly! :rollin The Duke, you are right, they indeed should be called "drag-goons". They are wearing PINK! :eek OK, so pink dragoons really existed (the 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th dragoons were indeed wearing pink lapels), but I can't bear the sight of it. :x Ceterum censeo, Austrian dragoons didn't wear cuirasses. :lol I hope it will be possible to modify the portraits somehow ourselves. :)